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There is no way to stop cheating?! 4 Dec '01  Comments: 90
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I don’t know how to deal with it and I don’t know what people are going to do on the tournaments, but it is a BUG. Serious Bug. Everyone knows the common command cg_bobup, which affects the model's advancement during the game. However, if you change the parameters to –0.3 then you will get a very interesting results. This makes you see through walls and it is impossible to prove. Since sv_pure 1 does not detect it and watching a demo of someone using this command won’t reveal anything too. The only way to figure out if someone does or does not use the command is to watch at the player monitor during the game. This means that the honesty of the Internet gaming is put under the question. What if someone already knows about this bug and uses it as he desires? Well I don’t want to be that someone and that’s why I want public to know.

So, the cg_bobup command is responsible for advancement of the enemy model and if the parameters are changed then the movements of the players are similar to the movement of the penguin. Using the negative parameters (starting at –0.3) you just simple start to see through polygons, which means seeing the items and the enemy model at the particular distance. Basically, this will give a player a very big advantage in the game on all kinds of maps. Just simple bind it “bind 3 cg_bobup –0.3” and “bind 4 cg_bobup 0” and there you go. The tactics are simple: “Turned it on. Looked around. Made a decision. Prepared for attack. Turned it off.” I hope that on the Tournaments this command will be required to be set to “0” and not to be changed during the game. Also it is important to watch for the players, may be someone them will try to use it. As for the Internet Games – there is nothing to be done. Hopefully ID Software will come up with something, may be a new patch will solve the problem. Here is some screenshots, which demonstrate the opportunities of the cg_bobup –0.3 command. And thanks to Unix for translate... Click a picture for get a big size.



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#1 - 2:33 / 4 Dec '01 - Ranger
Bit irresponsible to post this on the front page of a major gaming site isn't it? At least while there's no way of detecting it or preventing it surely you'd have been better speaking directly to id software and rhea/arqon from osp/cpma rather than making it so that every gamer knows? :/



#2 - 3:15 / 4 Dec '01 - indigo
admins delete this
now :]



#3 - 3:21 / 4 Dec '01 - HellSpaWN
false alarm
you dont see enemys when you use this thingie
well, at least not in dm7 when you want to look in the dungeon from the rl....



#4 - 3:29 / 4 Dec '01 - Ranger
Re: HellSpaWN
screenshots number 7 and 12? :)



#5 - 3:35 / 4 Dec '01 - HellSpaWN
n/m me:)
but it didnt work everywhere in dm7:P



#6 - 4:58 / 4 Dec '01 - Bobob
It does work.. The server just doesn't send you information about everything on the map, just the stuff you need to know. So you would only be able to see stuff close by. Still its enough... :( Guess he managed to pull that one off while there was still some online ec4 matches left :(.



#7 - 11:37 / 4 Dec '01 - G4nj4sm0k3r(hungary)
wooow,shit+merde



#8 - 12:27 / 4 Dec '01 - tanwh(cn)
oOh, my god
!!!



#9 - 12:48 / 4 Dec '01 - lala
praklatij q3, szuka, blagy, jevrej. Zajibisz. Huj.



#10 - 12:53 / 4 Dec '01 - tmt
Arggh
Damn. I think there will be a patch soon to q3 :D A final patch, finally??? :)))



#11 - 13:39 / 4 Dec '01 - Ozh
...
Polo you're smart for discovering this.
And you're a poor nasty twat for putting online ...



#12 - 14:42 / 4 Dec '01 - Zarkof
well
I honnestly prefer that a bug that allows to cheat is made public as soon as possible.

Nobody here knows who really knew this bug before and was using it in online competition. (I doubt it has any affect on offline tournaments as there are referee, admins or specs walking behind you all the time.)

At least, now, everybody knows the existence of such bug. This not only has brought rhea to react immediatly and work on it for the next OSP, but it will also bring the attention of all tournament or league organisers about the problem and they might take decisions according to the problem..

Ignorance is probably the best cheat existing..



#13 - 15:58 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
agreed with Zarkoff
i sent email to rhea, hopefully he'll do something very fast



#14 - 15:59 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
agreed with Zarkoff
i sent email to rhea, hopefully he'll do something very fast



#15 - 16:03 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
lol
at double-click speed.. :/



#16 - 16:15 / 4 Dec '01 - rocco
lets hope not
for all you gamers that been using it before, shame on you!

now its my turn to own hides!



#17 - 16:28 / 4 Dec '01 - Tek
Heh
You know, one of the best/worst uses for this is a coach.
He'd be able to see exactly who was where and relay it to everyone else.
So lame.

Tek



#18 - 16:31 / 4 Dec '01 - Drexciyian
Well
there are q3 mods out there that never get updated like OSP/CPMA ala RA3 gg eh



#19 - 16:45 / 4 Dec '01 - ReaLX
re: sexy drexy
OSP and CPMA are updated often, promode 99v7 will come out soon, maybe this bug will be fixed then, and also think their will be an osp update soon...

In the meanwhile, we just have to trust everyone we see in our crosshair... :/



#20 - 16:56 / 4 Dec '01 - BBW
heh
Next on QN is our guide to aim bots and where to get them. Join in kiddies!!!
muppets



#21 - 17:07 / 4 Dec '01 - FrOgR
FFS
:/



#22 - 18:06 / 4 Dec '01 - george
hah
well shit1 innit people probly been using this for ages and othersdint even have a clue. and its hardly fucking stoopid to post it on the front page as u mite as well let every1 know than just a few cunts out there with it. now ID software where fucking dicks for releasing QW source code just so people would play q3, wankers.



#23 - 18:22 / 4 Dec '01 - DoGBoY
cs?
I have a feeling until the problems are fixed we may have cs syndrome =
Every two minutes getting to hear things like -
"CHEAT" and "WALLHACKER" whenever someone is doing well.

The good news is ... it shouldn't affect me then! =D



#24 - 18:58 / 4 Dec '01 - kayaman
wh00t
:[ Mebbe not best thing to say what console command to set as a lot of lamers will be inclined to use to get an advantage :/



#25 - 19:50 / 4 Dec '01 - KT
Player
Way to go you moronic idiot, tell the whole goddamn world how to cheat. As if we didn't have enough problems with the hackers "contributing" by "exposing exploits" in the game code. Your justification will surely be no better, I'll wager.



#26 - 20:19 / 4 Dec '01 - hmm
it's best to get information about cheats out in the public so that it causes so much suspicion and chaos on servers that mod owners fall over themselves to fix it

surely that's better than having no one knowing about it and cheaters using it to their advantage?



#27 - 20:26 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
Community is full of dumbasses.
Will we every live in a cheat free world?

Not with dumbass sites claiming 'cheating' as news. You just blew any credibility as a gaming site.

Posting how to cheat is not an obligation, it's a rather unscrupulous way of getting hits and banter about your site, because you post on how to cheat.

It's 'one' thing to say there is a cheat and this is what it does. It's another to give out the information on 'how' to activate the cheat and let everyone abuse it at will.

Very sorry journalistic effort here.

Buncha dumbasses working here.

So, you can't send this info to id and the mod makers? You have to publish it so everyone can cheat. Yay.

GG Dumbasses



#28 - 20:29 / 4 Dec '01 - LKFF|RiGHT
Shi!
I think Shi should return to activity... now he really has a working wallhack :D



hehe.... love you Shi :)



#29 - 20:30 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
-snip from a mod coder-
Problem with this is mods like OSP etc can update fastly as they are mainly code based mods. For example with a large mod it isn't easy to release a new build.

It takes a lot longer to test the interim builds and you rarely can release if your target build has new media in it that is already tied to the code.

I really dispise sites like q3center and cyberfight publishing these cheats.

Most times they say to do it for the sake of the game, that this is the only way to get the attention of the developers etc etc but they rarely ever contact the developers themselves cause they think that someone else will have done for sure as it is apparently such a serious issue.

Oh well, guess some people care more about their own sick selves than the wellbeing of the community.



#30 - 20:31 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
Message from Paul Jaquays
I've stated this before. We have a programmer scheduled to work on Q3A maintainance. He's not working on Doom, but he has some other scheduled tasks before he can bring his time to bear fully on Q3A work. This just adds to the issues he gets to deal with.

-Paul



#31 - 20:36 / 4 Dec '01 - hmm
bob - shut up

if people want to make mods then they can fkn-well update them if needs be
or else they just show how much they don't care about their mod
and they don't deserve people to play their mod



#32 - 20:37 / 4 Dec '01 - dviant
lame
I too wish this wasn't posted... should've just e-mailed id with it... or alluded to it without giving actually settings out. Very weak and shortsighted imo.

With as fast as q3 patches come out, we'll now have to deal with every little punk who reads this for the next couple months. Thanks. :(



#33 - 20:43 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
heh
hmm.. You've apparently never made a mod or realize how much of a big deal it is too update code.

A small code based mode like OSP/CPMA can update fairly easily.

A mod like RA3, Q3F, Threewave, etc are huge downloads and will not be able to update as quickly as code based mods. That's what I was suggesting.

Anyhow, if people want to make mods, that's their business.. They don't have to update them if they don't want to, or don't have time too, especially when sites like this add fuel to the fire. We had 3 cheaters prior to this post, now they've single handedly made thousands more cheaters.

As PJ said before, it won't make the id guys any quicker on getting a fix out. :(

Dumbasses plain and simple.



#34 - 20:47 / 4 Dec '01 - stone-[THC]
no comment



#35 - 20:49 / 4 Dec '01 - hmm
ra3 / q3f / 3w are huge downloads because they have maps bundled with them but osp don't

if you look at the size of ra3 without the maps, it's actually almost the same as cpma.

yes, you're right, they don't have to update their mods, or might not have time, but all that shows is that they have no dedication towards the mod in the face of cheating (which is what i originally said, i'm glad you agree with me)

what it all boils down to though, is this:

before: cheaters cheating with no one suspecting
now: everyone knows about it, suspects, and mod-makers (if they care) will update to remove the cheat
afterwards: no cheaters and no one suspecting

it has been shown countless times that emailing companies with info about cheats is pointless as they ignore you



#36 - 21:17 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
2 Bob
It's very easy to criticise, true true. If you are that smart - go and run your own website? I'll see how many people will it attract.
I agree that posting "how-to" is a bit dodgy. But still. I personally emailed rhea, and I hope he will take care of it soon. If he transmits this info further (to other developers) - good. If not - too bad.

What did ->YOU<- personally do when you read _here_ about this cheat?



#37 - 21:19 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
heh
Now: Everyone cheating, everyone suspecting. Even if it's fixed 100%, you will now have everyone suspecting every single lucky shot as someone is cheating.

Your logic is flawed.

Before: Cheaters were cheating and still people were suspecting. If you didn't know people were cheating prior to this coming out, you been hiding under a rock for some time.

So, what kinda stuff you done for the community? Or do you just like to bitch and complain people who make mods don't have dedication?

If you are just merely a gamer, I think you have some big balls to play something for free, and expect everyone else who does this for you to jump when you say jump, when you yourself have given nothing to the community yourself.



#38 - 21:26 / 4 Dec '01 - bigfoot
Fucking stupid
If you find a bug/cheat mail the mod author or software company and ask them to fix it. You wouldn't link to an aimbot or to a wallhack prog would you? Or maybe you would. Idiot.



#39 - 21:29 / 4 Dec '01 - hmm
i was talking about this particular cheat. everyone knows that wallhacks exist, but most aren't possible to use on every server.

beforehand most people didn't know that this cheat could be done on any server of any mod, but now they do and as such it will put more pressure on people to remove the cheat.

i feel it is you who has flawed logic, if there is no cheating possible, no one will suspect (obviously), and even if they do suspect, there is no qualification to suspect, so it is their problem.

you seem to have forgotten to mention what will happen in the future, which suggests you agree with what i said (i.e. that this cheat will not be possible)

i hardly think you can say that i was 'bitching' about people who make mods, it was in response to what you said about mod makers not being able to update their creations. i'm not 'bitching' about any mods, i'm merely saying that if mod authors don't want to update their mods to stop cheating, then that shows lack of dedication, and surely this makes perfect sense?

i don't expect people to 'jump' when i say jump, but i DO expect mod authors who have thousands of people using them daily to update to remove a cheat.



#40 - 21:31 / 4 Dec '01 - Yeltsin
Bob, i dont see how any cheat of that kind, a q3 variable, can be told about without having people like you bitching. Look at www.challenge-us.com, they have that as news. Did you lose any respect for them? How can you say respect and dumbass at the same moment.
This "bug" works in EVERY version of quake 3. However the problem can be easily fixed by limiting the variable value of the variable on any OSP server.The command just needs to be put in the list.

P.S.
star wars style :"Bob Evens, use your brain power!"



#41 - 21:33 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
d3sp
2 d3sp,

I have run my own website, been there done that, was very successful. Even worked closely with Raven and id Software on many smaller projects hand in hand. Was very rewarding. Also worked with many high profile gamers in the Quake community.

What's the difference with me?

I'd never post cheats to gain hits.

Period.

Guess you can call that integrity.

What did I do when I read about this cheat?

I was shocked that a legit site would post such a stupid blatent bug. If you wanted to not bring down the community, you could tell people about the 'bug' but not include the command that makes the cheating possible.

That's the part I have a problem with. It's plain stupid.



#42 - 21:48 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
2 Bob
please, read above. i said i agree that posting it was a bit dodgy.
i'll see what i can do.



#43 - 22:02 / 4 Dec '01 - Bob Evans
Sigh..
This "bug" works in EVERY version of quake 3. However the problem can be easily fixed by limiting the variable value of the variable on any OSP server

Unfortunately, not every server is running OSP or CPMA, or even for that matter 1.30 Point Release. To all the other mods out there or servers not on 1.30, get a big old bag of sh!t, thanks to articles like these.

Here's an article written about almost the exact same scenario that was unfolded here today:

http://www.planetquake.com/features/articles/editorials/hits.shtml

-snip-
I was prepared to just let this all go and never say a word about incident I mentioned above when I saw a post yesterday that made me sick. A popular site offering a wall hack for download under the premise of keeping you the gamer "informed". Oh you can be sure they posted a bold disclaimer at the top saying they don't advocate cheating but seriously how st00pid do you think we are? That leads me to the title of this rant.... Hit's at any Cost?
-snip-

Sound a little ironic? Yeah.. It's sad. I don't mind the announcement, but showing the command to everyone and how to do it sucks.

Really Sucks.

Period.



#44 - 22:10 / 4 Dec '01 - d3sp
2 Bob
Bob, you may also stop refreshing this page and telling us how it sucks. We got enough hits for today :-)

</sarcasm>

(for those who dont have a humor sense)



#45 - 23:14 / 4 Dec '01 - dviant
OSP-centric world? I think not.
all you people saying how its "easily" fixed in OSP need realize that OSP isn't the only damn thing played out there. Bah! and Double Bah! This could have easily been exposed as a cheat without revealing the method. Dumb. Thanks for enabling a bunch of would-be cheaters.



#46 - 0:23 / 5 Dec '01 - Yeltsin
#44
heheheheheh

#45
whould you no get this?
"the cheat is activated when the bob is asigned a negative value which makes FOV move in the way to it ignores the walls and allows you get a glimpse of players/items"
lol



#47 - 3:31 / 5 Dec '01 - Chip
llama central
im not gonna bother visiting this site again ...meant to be supporting the game not killing it .. good days work that fellas .. find a bug and tell every potential lamer how to exploit it .. gg!!



#48 - 4:53 / 5 Dec '01 - ken
I don't really see the problem with posting it because you can enable it on the servers with osp/cpma so you actually need it published to avoid cheating.
About all the other mods like ra3 and so on, that isn’t upgraded every now and then, there’s already plenty of cheats out there that anyone with common gaming knowledge can get a hold of if they intent to cheat.
Furthermore I hardly think that Polosatiy published it, as some sort of media stunt.

12# true, true.



#49 - 11:23 / 5 Dec '01 - d3sp
once again
have you tried using it?
if you have, then you may understand that it is useful only if you have very weak opponent and your skills are weak as well.

in the game where are serious opponents are playing, usually they both know where's other player is. when you are enabling this cheat, your graphics are basically fucked up, so instead of gaining some advanage your attention is distracted by trying to figure out where opponent is.

all this talks "how lame this site is" etc bla bla - it only shows the narrow POV.

i don't see that great impact of this cheat on online leagues as well.

i play CTF a lot and I wouldn't dare to propose to my clanmates to use this cheat. for a simple reason - why cheat?

i repeat, the only place you can find this cheat used - public servers with low level of skill and maturity.



#50 - 12:09 / 5 Dec '01 - Morgoth
sure d3sp...
Hmm... dm6 i stand at RA and move back and forth to see if someone will rail me from rail when i try to go to rl.
dm7... i'm camping YA and jut moving a little to see when they'll attack me from Quad
dm14... ra -> rail ra(ssg) -> quad

"i don't see that great impact of this cheat on online leagues as well. "

BTW, i haven't tried this bug, so not all the examples are workin probably :)



#51 - 12:22 / 5 Dec '01 - d3sp
2 Morgoth
well, i want to emphasize that usually players with level of maturity and skill higher than beginner do not cheat. because it spoils the game. and fun :)



#52 - 14:41 / 5 Dec '01 - Morgoth
Sure...
But not all are mature enough...



#53 - 14:44 / 5 Dec '01 - Morgoth
...
Even an individual can spoil your game...



#54 - 14:49 / 5 Dec '01 - Morgoth
Eh...forgetting a lot of things :)
You were talkin this bug has only advantages if you're not skilled enough, that's why i pointed out some examples which can help you even if you're highly skilled :)

And hmm... Let's make an example: a game that takes you to LAN finals of Eurocup (a free trip and acommodation, not to mention meeting some of the best quakers, fame and coffeeshops :), could in my opinion sway someone's morale ...



#55 - 15:04 / 5 Dec '01 - d3sp
hehe
> could in my opinion sway someone's morale ..

but I bet losing there badly - that's what waiting for them, innit?

:)



#56 - 15:35 / 5 Dec '01 - frag0r
Have u guys tried this?
lol try playing with it...go on...see how well you (don't) do



#57 - 17:58 / 5 Dec '01 - Bobob
Frag0r there are lots of places where turning this on could give you some much needed information. If you dont understand how to use it, then quite frankly you are not very experienced with the game or haven't looked into what exactly you could use it for. Ofcourse its not the cheat to end all cheats, but its a help none the less, which shouldn't have been there.

All you guys saying its possible to turn off in osp, could you tell me how to? :)



#58 - 7:14 / 6 Dec '01 - Capella
hmmz0r
Can u post where to find a good aimbot please. ^^
I also need aimbot and wallhack for CS please
Make a new page on ur site with a "how to cheat" it can help.
Last thing ... Where this site come from ?? Well people there are so stupid...



#59 - 23:32 / 6 Dec '01 - xil-exodus
Hmm
There are two thoughts which come to mind when this subject is brought up.

The first is whether or not those screenshots were taken on a listen server or not. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that if you are hosting the listen server, your client has all of the game info readily available. Obviously, if you are just connecting to a server, then your client will not have all the information available.

The second thing that comes to mind requires a bit of explaining. When my brother, a|revelation, was designing promode, he learned a lot about how the Q3 engine works and consequently explained it to me. Any error in the following explanation is completely the fault of my memory and not of his explanation.

The Q3 engine doesn't render the entire map at once. It splits the entire map into 'sections' and renders the 'section' which your player is inside of and the sections surrounding this. You only receive info about players that are being rendered at the time and your client does not render anything outside of the 'section' you are in and the connecting 'sections'. There's some stuff that deals with seeing down long hallways and such that I don't quite remember. Now we get to the important part, which is, coincidentally, one of the parts of which I'm a little sketchy on the details.

The reason you can't see anything in the dungeon on DM7 has to do with the 'see through long hallways' thing. If I remember correctly, the Q3 engine only renders the walls of that room and nothing inside it. Next time you try that on dm7, check if you can see the teleporter. If you can't, then I'm right. If you can, then there's something I'm forgetting. :)



#60 - 23:43 / 6 Dec '01 - xil-exodus
Er...
Correction... I just took a look at the screenshot of dm7 that is located above and noticed that you can see the teleporter but can't see the plasma ammo that should be sitting there.

Just a bit of an assumption on my part. My guess is that the engine renders everything but 'game objects' in a situation like this. Game objects meaning items that somehow change during the game due to input from a player. (ie: weapons, armor, quad, players)



#61 - 0:25 / 8 Dec '01 - cn'KICKER
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#62 - 4:52 / 8 Dec '01 - zth
lalala
havent bothered reading any of em comments but really smooth posing shit like this on a big site like this innit?



#63 - 15:43 / 8 Dec '01 - light(Circle of Evil)
Why remove it in Ra3?
Whats the big difference in moving the bug in rocket arena? u cant use this bug for anything in rocket arena because you cant see the enemy through the walls anyway....



#64 - 15:44 / 10 Dec '01 - Camping_Gaz®
quit quake
what is the problem?
why do you play cheaters? give up, dont play them,
it's just as simple. what the f*ck is so important when you have a ffa server full of newbies cheating, let em cheat, they like it, enjoy it very much (see, they dont ever callvote kick aimbots!). dont play them if you dont want to, and play them if you like!
what i think is that you need cheaters somehow to make you feel more righteous and good at this game...
it's fine to post such cheats so every jerk on earth knows about it, maybe it'll make q3 live some longer! we need newbie support!
the only "safe" places to play are LANs, so play there. i bet most of you have like 10 ping so you consider online playing like lan playing, it is not!
online you can find anything, all sorts of cheaters. you'll always have these, no matter what you do. just stop complaining that your connection is too good to be ruined by cheaters!!! it online jungle, this wont change



#65 - 1:02 / 11 Dec '01 - ki11ingtime
fixed
Not sure about other mods, but this has been fixed in CPMAv7 which is being released in the near future (currently RC).

Just found out OSP 1, will have the fix too.

But if you guys want to wait for another PR... gl :)



#66 - 10:41 / 11 Dec '01 - tubesock
this site...
get's lamer and lamer and lamer... what will they do next to get hits? This is like my 2nd and last visit, sweet site!



#67 - 16:57 / 11 Dec '01 - meo
any server which is not running osp, isnt worth playing on .. so all u n00bs can cheat as much as you want for all i care



#68 - 4:30 / 12 Dec '01 - Daniel Jonathan Bergholdt
Seriously ...
I have to agree with Bob Evans ...
Posting this on a major gamesite is no solution - It's plain stupidity.
I quote "As PJ said before, it won't make the id guys any quicker on getting a fix out. :(" - Bob Evans, 2001 (8P) and add an example. If you have a microwave oven, throw in some pizza and turn on the damn thing ... No matter what you do - The food will be finished when it's finished - Of course you can give it 2 minutes instead of 5 but it will be poorly cooked ... Same as this situation. Now stop being lame and just accept the fact that CyberFight fucked up thereby spawning thousands of additional cheaters and live with it till id Software does a bugfix. 8]

Best regards
Daniel Jonathan Bergholdt
Manager of Development
Twin Pixel Studios Aps.



#69 - 0:15 / 13 Dec '01 - cheater
Unusable
This cheat is fun i must say, well it is unusable!



#70 - 0:16 / 13 Dec '01 - cheater
apendix
...in praction



#71 - 12:29 / 13 Dec '01 - Mr Ed.
good move polo
..because awareness is what we all need a great deal more of (some more than others ;)
i'm not even going to test this out, but i can imagine it staying in some cfg's around the place. so i say, let the wannabe's have their cheats in a crappy old 1.29 ffa server, while we lap up the pure goodness of osp 1 & cpma7.

and if u cheat, you are lame!



#72 - 15:32 / 13 Dec '01 - AnoxiA
It's a BUG!!!
It's a bug, not a cheat. For it to be a cheat a cheater has to use it, and if a cheater uses it, that cheater has probably used other cheats, so....whats the problem?



#73 - 21:16 / 18 Dec '01 - Kay
naaah
i dont think you can realy use this in 1 on 1 game, you just dont have time for that, to look where enemy is, maybe in a team game where you dont have to run fast, i think you all guys know about ASUS see thru drivers, there is no way you can play game with all this shit, forget it



#74 - 6:37 / 21 Dec '01 - Ctrl
yeye
Cheating is so pathetic that it is not worth to discuss.
/a^



#75 - 6:50 / 21 Dec '01 - zpiro
Its think it isnt bad to post the bug, hopefully it will force id software to make a patch asap. only unserious players, newbies and counter strike gamers would use it anyways, the low life of the fps scene.



#76 - 14:58 / 22 Dec '01 - guest
did PointRelease 1.31 fixed it?
did PointRelease 1.31 fixed it?



#77 - 20:54 / 28 Dec '01 - MaHaSiaH
Por isso parei de jogar :)
Bah! Q2 ja acabou e Q3 vai pro mesmo buraco! Se isso está publicado, imagine o que não rola por tras! Mil vezes bah! hauehe



#78 - 20:01 / 8 Jan '02 - Grandmaster
Bug or Cheat?
As finally someone said, it's not a cheat, but a big bug. I will not discuss if it's correct or not to publish something like that or if it will do people from Id to prepare a new PR to correct it, but I saw a lot of comments about people saying this sucks, but as another one said, if just a simple bu make ths revolution, imagine those that we don't even imagine that exist.

We should spam Id with tons of mails asking some solution on next PR, because I play since Quake 1 and I saw a lot things. Cheaters will always exist.



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#79 - 16:39 / 20 Jan '02 - MEtz
WFA ownz this bug
it an be removed wfadev team did so go tell makes of mods to get it out



#80 - 20:28 / 18 Feb '02 - Real wanna have cheats
plz tell me where i can download wallhack or other cheats for version 1.31



#81 - 18:23 / 26 Feb '02 - FalcoN
Everyone should know the true!!!
I think it was very good ide to put this article online, because everyone should know about this. What about if the best q3players play with those binds??? I hope that soon will be this final patch without cheats!!! http://efpepe.w.interia.pl



#82 - 18:24 / 26 Feb '02 - FalcoN
Everyone should know the true!!!
I think it was very good ide to put this article online, because everyone should know about this. What about if the best q3players play with those binds??? I hope that soon will be this final patch without cheats!!! http://efpepe.w.interia.pl



#83 - 16:34 / 1 Mar '02 - hUHa
Not so clever
Now everyone knows that cheat. Not so clever



#84 - 22:05 / 31 Mar '02 - Rf|Johny Bravo
:)
lol I dont belive
sry :O



#85 - 18:08 / 6 May '02 - trance
I just tried that settings to see if it worked, it doesnt work for me =)
not on a listen server or on a inet server, to bad haha =)
/trance



#86 - 19:17 / 6 May '02 - x3n
Hmm, maybe, but just maybe you could have skipped the part on how to cheat, just saying it is possible until someone fixed the problem.... hmz.. now im a part of the discussion but:

from ctrl:
yeye
Cheating is so pathetic that it is not worth to discuss.
/a^

true, true...



#87 - 5:56 / 20 May '02 - SkillaN
erhmm?
You're like trying to discover any BASEQ3 bug that exists?!?!
no-one plays bq3.. and good it doesn't work in any regular mod..

lame



#88 - 22:31 / 24 Jun '02 - own-age
Fact of life
reguardless of what game it is or any type of Pure modes, there is allways someone out there that has enough time to find an exploit, it is a given. Just as there are good players out there there are also good cheaters. Only thing that can be done is finding it harder to get to the exploits and thats about it. Only thing bitching and whatnot to the public does about cheating is make you look like an ass. If you know someones cheating bring it out and move on. you keep bitching and its going to make the guy wanna cheat more. they figured that exploit out for a reason...

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webmaster of www.own-age.com



#89 - 18:19 / 6 Aug '02 - Yaminur
OMG
OMG!!

but it should be easy to prevent this - cg_bobup must be > 0 should easy to implent with a patch



#90 - 20:39 / 28 Sep '02 - Kah0ona
this should not be put online > instead, the developers of mods like osp ra3 3w etc.or ID should be mailed...

putting it online will warn people, but people also will use it as excuse, and if there's 1 thing i hate, it;s that people are calling every1 cheater etc.

keep cheats as quiet as possible, then there are a lot less cheaters...

a lot of people will now say: ok i'll look out for cheaters and stuff, but there are also a number of players who think: 'hey, I can easily make a toggle script which toggles my bobup.' So there will be more cheathunters, and more cheaters, which will lead to whining and argueing of players on the servers.

u get whole disscussions, included flames, which will drain the level of fun of a game.

Next time: don't put online, just mail the developers..





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